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Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7277	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:20:29 - [1] - Quote WTB - PLEX when it hits 400M again. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7278	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:29:55 - [2] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking. That can only happen when they remove local. Stahp, stahp.... Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7280	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:35:50 - [3] - Quote isBoxer fleet character sales are coming out now. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7283	Posted - 2014.11.25 23:42:06 - [4] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: James Baboli wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: James Baboli wrote: I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing. If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder. I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens. I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally. Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing. Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this. The eula doe snot prevent octopuses from playing the game with 8 mice at same time. Or squids. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7283	Posted - 2014.11.25 23:47:34 - [5] - Quote Dazamin wrote: Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7283	Posted - 2014.11.26 00:11:06 - [6] - Quote Dazamin wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Dazamin wrote: Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro? Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc. Well, this is quite specifically just about rules pertaining to out-of-game actions, and not changes to existing in-game features. If this were about behavior and not external influence via 3rd party apps it would also be verboten to run multiple clients on the same PC. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7286	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:11:18 - [7] - Quote Hott Pocket wrote: I fully support the (effective) banning of ISBoxer, as it will be easier to be competitive without it. However, will CCP offer ISBoxers with a significant real $$ investment a way out? Perhaps converting unused subs to PLEX, or moving the game time to my other accounts? Good luck with that. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7292	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:44:30 - [8] - Quote Max Kolonko wrote: Steppa Musana wrote: CCP can save almost the entirety of their mining alt ISBox subscriptions by allowing us to jettison cargo or move cargo to an Orca using broadcasting. Without that ability it's too much of a hassle to mine and I personally will be retiring my entire fleet over it. good good Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7294	Posted - 2014.11.26 03:31:54 - [9] - Quote Hulky Boy wrote: It took me 2 weeks to learn how to use is-Boxer well, people like to have a cry because they don't have the initiative to learn how to use it them selves, why should some be punishing for pushing their limits in eve. If i wanted to play on one toon the X series is a much better game. Also CCP you just lost more subscriptions than you realise and once again added to the already rapid rise in the price of plex. I will soon ill be lucky to log on in the Australian time zone now and find more than 1000 people in tranquility. In all it was a fair playing field because every body could do it but only the brave and resourceful dared try. Your stuffz, can I haz them? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7299	Posted - 2014.11.26 06:24:14 - [10] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: To those celebrating the death of the one-man mining fleets, I want you to know there isn't a single solo miner in my systems of operation that is happy about this. As a token of appreciation to the regular miners in these systems (that don't F with my fleet), I offer them a chunk of my income when they are on-grid, to compensate for the lack of available mats. I also offer the newer players SRP when they are ganked. When gankers come my mining fleet turns into an ECM and RR fleet, and so there are no resident gankers in our area as as result. When I pack up my bags these miners will lose income, be hurt harder by ganks, and have no one there to keep the gankers away if they choose to target our systems. I want you to know there isn't a single solo miner in my systems of operation that is happy about that. So whatever CCP is trying to help, they aren't helping any of us over here! You're going to kill a big part of our community here, because it centers around me. Arrogant but true. Just like a great FC or alliance leader can make or break an entire group, the same it is for us. Can I haz your stuffz? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.

Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7310	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:37:34 - [11] - Quote Digger Nolm wrote: I see CCP is still doing its best to make small corps or groups even less useful. Keep in mind that jan 1 2015 I will cancel 5 accounts as I will not be able to grind enough isk to run those accounts with the new ban on key broadcasting. That's atleast $100 US less you wont get from me. I am sure I will not be the only one. I expect CCP to lose atleast 10 grand a month because afew people in giant alliances have friends in CCP. And nothing of value was lost. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7311	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:47:17 - [12] - Quote Anyone still confused or hung-up on what this means can reference this: Am I violating the new rules? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7311	Posted - 2014.11.26 15:07:11 - [13] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Anyone still confused or hung-up on what this means can reference this: Am I violating the new rules? Here is thing Doc, does Quote: Input Automation Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe. Also apply to people using keyboards to map multiple keyboard short cuts to 1 key? Technically you could argue that is automation of actions. Yes, It applies if said mappings affect multiple instances of the client simultaneously and that involves anything other than login, window management or client settings. See condition #4 of flowchart. If you still don't get it, you are either being deliberately obtuse or do not understand what "multiple instances" means. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7312	Posted - 2014.11.26 15:17:36 - [14] - Quote Internet economists are coming out now... Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7321	Posted - 2014.11.26 22:05:15 - [15] - Quote Khar-Toba wrote: I just want some clarification on this change (sorry if this has been covered already) I have 4 Accounts and was planing to use an Autohotkey script which will duplicate mouse clicks on my second and third screens. This would enable me to fly 3 accounts at the same time more efficiently than I can currently. I think this will be a breach of the revised rules - but I just wanted to check! If you don't know, use this: Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7323	Posted - 2014.11.27 02:25:31 - [16] - Quote This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7325	Posted - 2014.11.27 03:31:57 - [17] - Quote Rowells wrote: Doc Fury wrote: This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. are we going to just assume it was for their head hair? I'm really hoping you mean neckbeards. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7328	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:50:15 - [18] - Quote Ger Atol wrote: Ger Atol wrote: Ger Atol wrote: [quote=Ger Atol]Question for CCP legal and refund department. So I assume CCP are going to be refunding people who recently subscribed, under the old terms of service, where ISBoxing style broadcasting was essentially allowed. Considering the abrupt change of terms of service I will be expecting a refund proportional to the remaining time I have on my account. Considering it is a dramatic change in policy, and completely here to encourage, considering the frequent power of 2 offers, and here to acceptability of ISboxer style broadcasting, and coupled with the fact that this change has been considered and approved by CCP management prior to the official announcement, it might be considered fraudulence to have sold the product, with a subscription period longer than the warning period given to for the implementation of this new terms of service. As such I would be hopeful that CCP will refund any account which cannot agree to the new terms of service, as they are completely different to the old, and dramatically so to people who are affected by this change. P.S. I am not interested in anyone but CCP official response. And yes the game goes on but I would rather that they accept the losses they may get from this, which judging by the posts here will be minimal compared to overall subscriptions. Since the company is still trading/operating, it is still dubiously fraudulent to sell 1 year subscriptions up to the day of such a change in policy. I challenge any CSM to read my point. You should see where this crosses the line. I won't say who I vote for, but I want to see your metal. Get behind this simple point. This is not like a module rebalance that negates you year training. This is a total change in how you can use multiple clients. Again judging by the reaction, very few refunds will be necessary. Any rational person who understands my point will see there is only one "right thing to do" Do the right thing CCP Refund people whose real life money you have taken before this change, and who are now out of pocket for nothing. Do the real life right thing. Good luck with that sparky. Can I have your stuff when you ragequit? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7339	Posted - 2014.11.29 00:03:19 - [19] - Quote Chris Winter wrote: Can CCP please clarify to their GMs that this new policy isn't going to be in effect until Jan 1st? There are reports of multiboxers already being banned for broadcasting, and re-petitions being closed... Would these "reports" also be coming from players who claim they will send you 100mil isk if you just send then 50mil first? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7341	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:33:44 - [20] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: GUYS. It is very important that we don't argue amongst ourselves. Not right now, not this time. Multiboxers have paid subs for how long and all we're given is another client with no integration. This is a self-serving move they're doing with the ISBoxer change. Because of reimbursements given to players who cried about believing someone was ISBoxing and cheating. It solves a very short term problem, but it's the wrong move. Put yourself in CCP's shoes. Right now they're trying to cater to everyone, and 33% of their subs are from +n accounts. So what do you do? Live a facade that you're not responsible for what multiboxers do, and play like you thought people only used multiboxing for scouting? Then there's this thread. They've said nothing to continue the dialog with players, in what should be a customer service / feedback type line of communication. Instead they're hiding, saying nothing, letting players argue with each other about whatever, when CCP is the deciding authority here. We're basically left listening to muzak, waiting for the next available customer service representative for ... 4 days now. Click through the dev posts and all you'll get are "read the OP," a dev hacked inline image because falcon is so edgy, another dev saying workarounds will be caught. when the -real- issue is CCP is playing possum, waiting to see what players do in the long term. so. let's not get upset at each other. That's what CCP wants, and that's what they're counting on. For everyone to believe this is a multiboxer vs uniboxer issue. It's not. The real issue is why multiboxing is sold and promoted, but hasn't been supported in the client in a way that can be balanced, that we can more or less agree with. This time it happens to be my playstyle. Next time it could be yours. This is sort of a big thing. If it was something you paid for, wouldn't you care? Tinfoil much? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.

Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7345	Posted - 2014.11.29 17:05:16 - [21] - Quote marly cortez wrote: Quite amazing this thread patrolled by the thought police but the Devs that started this vitriolic pissing contest once again are totally absent. Maybe they are absent because there is nothing to clarify any more. marly cortez wrote: On a lighter note, seven mining accounts un-subbed today and up for sale, you have around nine days before they go inactive, after that you get squat CCP. If you can't sell them, can I have their stuff(s)? Some players I know who are returning could use some stuff. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7345	Posted - 2014.11.29 17:16:34 - [22] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Doc Fury wrote: If you can't sell them, can I have their stuff(s)? Some players I know who are returning could use some stuff. They should earn their stuff. Taking handouts is cheating. CCP please change EULA to ban people handing other people free stuff. Sure, I'd be for banning SRP. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7345	Posted - 2014.11.29 17:33:00 - [23] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Doc Fury wrote: If you can't sell them, can I have their stuff(s)? Some players I know who are returning could use some stuff. They should earn their stuff. Taking handouts is cheating. CCP please change EULA to ban people handing other people free stuff. Sure, I'd support banning SRPs. As you should. Highsec carebears don't get SRP, therefore it's unfair, therefore it's cheating. That would make for a hilarious threadnaught of its own. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7353	Posted - 2014.11.30 00:56:47 - [24] - Quote More internet economists coming out now. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.